اتهامات اوكامبو الفطيرة وخلفيتها السياسية التى لا يحتاج كشفها لدرس عصر--من ارجو المساعدة فى الترجمة----
v (CNN) -- The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court is seeking the arrest of Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir on charges of genocide in a five-year campaign of violence in the country's Darfur region. Luis Moreno-Ocampo spoke exclusively to CNN's Nic Robertson ahead of his announcement on Monday of the charges.
Luis Moreno-Ocampo: "Pressure is normal in my job ... I don't care about opinions. I care about my evidence."
Luis Moreno-Ocampo: "Pressure is normal in my job ... I don't care about opinions. I care about my evidence."
Nic Robertson: What exactly are you accusing President Bashir of?
Luis Moreno-Ocampo: We request a warrant for the crime of genocide -- 6a, b and c -- basically massive rapes and the condition of 2.5 million people -- in addition we charged him with crimes against humanity and war crimes.
Q. For genocide though -- attempt to destroy an ethnic group in whole or in part -- which is an intent -- how do you prove intent?
A. The evidence shows that al-Bashir has absolute control of his forces and his forces absolutely target the land of the Fur, the Masalit and the Zaghawa -- 98 percent of the Fur villages were attacked -- so all these people were removed, substantial part of the people in camps are Fur Masalit and Zaghawa -- and al Bashir attacks these people in their lands and in their camps -- he is trying to destroy a substantial part of these groups and that's why it's a genocide. Video Watch as ICC prosecutor targets Sudan leader »
Q. How can you prove it's him -- there are Janjaweed, other forces there?
A. We prove that al-Bashir has absolute control -- he is the president of the country, chairman of national congress party -- commander in chief of the army -- he is the chairman of the secretary council -- he organized personally the Janjaweed militia -- integrate them into the police and the army -- we have evidence of showing that different elements of the janjaweed call him, report to him -- so al-Bashir controls everything in Darfur.
Q. You have his signature on a piece of paper instructing them what to do?
A. No the evidence is different -- it's a puzzle, we are showing a big puzzle -- we have (a) couple of documents proving, a document that the Sudan provided saying the army was following instructions of the president.
Q. And what were those instructions?
A. The instructions in fact were if you have forces inside your soldiers attacking the same people for five years -- against the international community, against everyone -- you believe al-Bashir is not controlling this -- so the intention of al-Bashir are coming from the facts -- the facts show al-Bashir's intention -- if I put a knife in your chest, I have intention to kill you -- the same -- if al Bashir attacks with his army, all these people, he is out to destroy them.
Q. What single piece of evidence is there in your opinion that most strongly points towards genocide?
A. Thousands of documents -- thousands of different types of evidence -- Ahmed Haroun was the minister of interior who coordinated attacks in 2003, 2004. in 2005 he was appointed to manage the camps so Haroun is the connection between attacks in the village and attacks in the camps. Haroun says he was always following Bashir's instructions. And Bashir says Haroun follows his instructions and Bashir say he will never hand over Haroun because he has to follow his instructions. He is confessing to me.
Q. In 2005 the U.N. commission said they didn't find genocide in Darfur -- what's changed?
A. In 2005 the U.N. said something very important -- they say if people are just for this place and protected in this camps there is no genocide. What we are proving now -- with the evidence we collect now -- is the same people are now attacking the camp -- massive rapes. They are raping women, raping girls, raping in groups -- raping to destroy the communities -- rape is a tool in the genocide, the most important tool today.
Q. How is rape a tool in genocide?
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A. Attacking the women, destroying the society, the community and also normally rape is under reported -- so al-Bashir is committee a genocide through rapes in front of our eyes and we are saying nothing. In the Rwandan tribunal they have an important decision called Acayesu -- they say rape is a way to destroy the spirit and the life of a group. That is what al-Bvvvv
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Q. Do you though have one specific case that you can point to -- one specific case -- that you can say that, there, right there, is genocide?
A. We have been saying in addition to the massive numbers we have been telling individual stories -- stories of women who say for instance we know we are raped when we go looking for the firewood -- so they decide to go in groups -- and they run -- they escape, some of them escape, some of them are raped. And we have stories about families who escape. Then people die because of the conditions that they saw -- we have stories of a father that says my daughter was raped and they were forced to watch when they rape my daughter -- we have these types of stories for each of the cases for each of the groups.
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